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I understand. All of our budgets are different & these prices don't fit with most people. But there are some amazing heads that are quite inexpensive. I try to present both on my channel and let the scores & performance speak for themselves--like Crimson Talon Crocs or Cleavers.

Yep. Occasionally I see them on Archery Talk for sale.

Yep. Well said of both heads.

Thank you!

Yep

Those are great heads. On my last moose hunt, I had both Sevr 1.5s and Iron Will Single Bevels in my quiver. The Sevrs were for long shots, long follow up shots, windy shots or broadside shots. The Iron Wills were for quartering or frontal shots. With elk, I like that same flexibility, as most situations fit into those two broadhead's strengths. I've also loved Exodus for elk...fly great, penetrate very well, larger cut, and super tough.

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Well, honestly, that is just not true. If you look at the incredible sharpness of this iron will, for example. And you see the A2 tool steel it’s made out of. And it did very well with the concrete. Why would you say that is sub optimal? The type of steel that’s used in a broadhead is only one factor affecting durability. The way it is hardened alsoaffects it. And the geometric design also affects the structural integrity tremendously. So the concrete test is a good test to see if and how a Broadhead may fail on a very hard impact. If it can handle that, just imagine how well it could handle an animal. That being said, the concrete test only accounts for 3% of the total score. I certainly don’t consider it a pass fail test for a Broadhead. But if I have to choose one, Broadhead that can handle a shot into cinderblock, and one that cannot. All other things equal, I know which one I’ll choose for my hard earned shot on an animal.

@@LuskArcheryAdventures Well said. It seems to me toughness and hardness would be serious factors when hitting strong bones.

@@LuskArcheryAdventures This is due to the tradeoffs present in the metallurgy and geometry. A very novice approach to think of blade design is that if it can withstand an extreme test then it should excel at its intended use. A good book worth reading is "Knife Engineering" by Dr. Larrin Thommas. For the metallurgy component, there is a tradeoff between hardness, toughness, and corrosion resistance. Even when you have a nice mid-grade steel like A2, the heat treating processes can either maximize hardness or toughness, not both. If you increase the toughness to go beyond the intended use of the blade, it will have lower hardness. The same is true if you did an extreme test for corrosion resistance. If you were to soak it in vinegar for a month and expect no spots of rust, you would need an extremely high-alloy steel with very poor edge retention qualities. Likewise with the geometry. To survive the concrete test, it needs a very wide primary grind and working edge. Edge geometry has an even bigger effect on blade performance than the metallurgy does. That is why blades are designed with a grind angle to match the exact task it will be used for. When blades are designed to pass a test rather than designed to perform the intended task, they perform more poorly as a result.

@@MatthewC137 There is a tradeoff between hardness and toughness. It is toughness that allows the blade to withstand impacts. Remember, though, that animal bones do nowhere near as much damage to a blade as concrete will. A harder metal with a finer grind angle will penetrate better through tissue and bone, but will crack when fired into concrete.

@@ThirdLawPair Yes, toughness and hardness are different things and it looks like Iron Will struck a good balance between the two.

That is a really good broadhead. There will be a lot of animals taken with it.

Thank you. Pls make sure I've not tested them yet, or do not already have them in hand. You can email me at JohnLusk64@gmail.com or message me on Messenger or Instagram. My mailing address is 2502 Sun Grove Rd, Melissa, TX 75454.

@@LuskArcheryAdventures Hello John. Thank you for responding. I assure you that you have not tested these. In fact I don't see absolutely anyone that has. They are in the mail on the way to me and I will send them to you personally. I will email you shortly with all of the info on them. Thank you! God Bless

I've been wanting to test those too.

It’s just you

I saw that too.

Haha. Sometimes it is that way, cause wobble often comes from blades not seating properly. Usually, if I tighten them on, then take them off, then tighten them on.....many times, they spin true. After concrete, some are "well seated" :) But I thought these spun well before & after. But when I comment, I'm looking at the broadhead in front of me. The videos are much closer up and much larger, so things sometimes look different thru that magnification.

Yep...just different materials for the ferrules, and different geometries of the blades...but similar, branded design.

In my testing, both single bevel and double bevels penetrate the same. That's when I have the exact same heads with the same dimensions and tested under the same conditions with the same mediums. But single bevels can create a bit better entrance hole and breach bone a bit better, allowing the shaft to penetrate more deeply thereafter. A case can be made that double bevels penetrate better cause no forward energy is lost on rotation. I like bleeders, cause I've shot animals with 2 blades and just had a very small slit and thus little bloodletting.

Nice. Thank you.

Nice. Depending on the shot distance, one option is to use the Wides for closer shots and the regulars for longer shots. I've carried both like that in the past.

An Iron Will Hybrid would be very welcomed to some for sure.

Thank you. I've considered that, and wish I could do it. The challenge is, I need a distance far enough for the sound of the shot and the sound of the impact to not be louder than the sound of the arrow whizzing by. 40 yards works for that. BUT I also need an indoor place where ambient noise is consistent month to month...there is way too much variation outdoors, at least where I am. And I can't drive an hour to the nearest indoor 40 yard range every time.

@@LuskArcheryAdventures I get that. I saw a guy do it outdoors but he didn’t at night when it is much quieter and it worked quite well. Have you thought about using a Lab Radar to get the statistics on how different heads may affect different statistics?

I agree! And no he wont

It's all a function of price vs diminishing returns & individual budgets. The same could be said of many bows. Will the Sanlida kill animals just as well as the Hoyt? But many people prefer spending the money to get that incremental quality increase, just because it fits within their budget.

Yes low price bows will kill animals but the performance is clearly not the same as a hoyt or Mathew’s… thats kind of my point why buy an iron will when it doesn’t have any more benefits or performance then a magnus… which also has a lifetime warranty.

Hahah Dude I feel the same way. I always leave 1 at home. Luckily I have about 12 Crimson Talon Crocs 150 that shoot the exact same to fill my quiver.😅

Lol

Well then..... Magnus

True they are not cheap... but do you buy 2 packs and sharpen 20x or buy 2 packs of others 20x....

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Well, I agree in part. No homogenous test mediums can accurately replicate an animal, because animals have various mediums within them as well. This head has a fairly wide cut, with much greater surface area, and also thicker blades. That's creating greater friction and resisting penetration. In dryer mediums, like bone and hide and some tougher tissue, penetration will also be reduced by that friction. And a larger bevel like in the Sevr, often opens up a channel for the arrow shaft to pass thru more readily, compared to two blade predominant heads. But in more liquid based mediums, like bloody tissue, penetration will not be so hindered by those factors and heads like this may penetrate more effectively. It's a mixed bag.

Just put both in your quiver and enjoy life 🤷🏻‍♂️

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They are great heads.

Back as a kid in the 80's I used old bear single bevels that I could pick up at yard sales and shoot with my 45# Fred Bear recurve... took many raccoons and coyotes over the years until I "UPGRADED" to a compound and carbon arrows around 16 years of age... I still have and use that old wood laminate bow now I'm in mid 40s to take birds and small game with flu flu arrows and small game blunts... oh and my 70# compound shooting 685 grain arrow set up is awesome for taking ANY game in North America with confidence

did you ever lose one? that must hurt. i quite often lose my arrow on passthrough shots.

@@yourmomma2995 lost many... why I had to buy cheap used products... I was a kid...

Thanks

Nice

Oh was that you? I just got them but didn't know who sent them! Thank you.

Oh, man! The shockwaves! The originals that had the bigger front tip were so nasty! I shot an antelope frontal with one years ago … endo ed it!

@@LuskArcheryAdventures yes sir! I had em sent from Amazon. Amazon has the 125 grain heads for $19. Happy testing brother! I’m gonna do some testing of my own this deer season!

the shockwaves wouldn't hold up from my crossbow at 350fps while shooting at my 3d deer target, same thing when i tried the steelhead XL's. it was kind of old and hard, but the blades broke when they hit that target.

Nice.

Thank you. My testing is consistent with every head I test...so any heads can be compared to any others, by watching the videos or reading the scores in the video description. The challenge with single bevels is there are SO MANY variations in them, all providing different strengths and weaknesses. Smaller diameters penetrate more deeply, but don't cut as much tissue. Slighter bevel angles penetrate better but don't rotate as much. Thicker blades rotate better and are more durable but don't penetrate as much...etc. It's nice to have the options to best suit your needs.

Very true.

Good choice.

All done. It's posting Monday, July 1, at 11:00am

Good question. It largely depends on your set up and shot distance. It takes more oomph to drive it deeply. If your goal is maximum penetration, the 1.5 is best. If you have plenty of momentum, then the 1.5 Hybrid would be great.

Thanks. The last moose was a 51” I hit him with my compound at 20yds and 50yds. Dropped in front of my eyes within 30 seconds. Neither shot passed through but lodged in the hide on his opposite side.

What is your thought on what that would accomplish?

@LuskArcheryAdventures honestly I have no idea. Maybe best of both worlds. Bevel the mechanical blades too. Do not know until you try.

I know the draw cycle would be very different...the draw on this was fairly harsh.

You shouldn't. If you do, please call their customer service. They have great customer service. And you can enter my Discount Code: LUSKFIVE as you place the order.

It's a Kuiu Shirt. You can order them on their website.

Man, I want to sooo bad. I did some in March...but then had a huge emergency back surgery in May. 2 nerves were so damaged that I can still barely use my right quadricep, and it's now July. I'm getting PT and slowing improving. But I have a second surgery in mid August. UGH! I have to have a buddy shoot my bow and arrows to do the new tests.

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That's great to hear. I used them with a crossbow a month ago on hogs and they worked excellently--they fly SOOO well.

Nice. Thanks for the comment. Good luck!

Glad to hear that. Thank you for sharing that. Good luck.